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You want to buy a home, but your credit isn’t great, and you don’t have a large income. Will a hefty down payment help you qualify for a mortgage loan? A Credit.com reader says she is selling her current home and plans to buy another in a year. But there are two obstacles she’s worried could stand in her way.

One is her income. She says:

For income, I am not working and only have Social Security income of $970 per month.  I do not have any income tax paperwork for the last several years as I did not work — just started getting Social Security checks this past February.

The other is her credit.

I have never been late on a mortgage payment.  I am in the process of cleaning up the few irksome problems I have on my credit report. (Once I sell my house my credit report/FICO score should take a big jump up). I am showing late payments to two lawn care companies and one trash company on my credit reports.  All other credit cards (3) I have a great record with. I have one charge-off for Chase Bank where I paid a settlement amount on a charge card.

But our reader says she can make a large down payment on her next house:

With this in mind, would I be able to purchase another house next year putting down about 45% to 50% on the amount of the house? I plan on purchasing a house for around $150,000 and putting down at least $65,000 next year when I come back.

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A few years ago, our reader might have been steered toward a “no doc” or “low doc” loan where she would have to provide limited information about her income. But those loans are pretty much dead.

Free Credit Check & Monitoring“There are no “No Doc” mortgages available from traditional lenders,” says Joe Kelly, president of ArcLoan.com, a national mortgage firm.  He says that no doc loans may be available from “portfolio lenders,” such as credit unions or community banks. But he warns, “Any no doc loan would require very high credit scores, low LTV (loan-to-value), and other compensating factors.”

And, unfortunately a large down payment doesn’t mean the lender can overlook a small income. “Due to recent laws, lenders are now required to make a reasonable determination if a borrower is able to repay the new mortgage loan applied for,” explains Jeanine Thomas, a mortgage broker and principal of J Thomas & Co Inc in Sarasota Florida. “I’ve had borrowers with 90% down payment and 800 credit scores and because they do not have proof of any income, no one will touch them,” she warns.

But that doesn’t mean all is lost here. Social Security retirement benefits are a perfectly legitimate source of income, and as long as that income is expected to continue for three years — which in this case it definitely will be — it can be used to help qualify for the loan.

In fact, it may be worth even more than she thinks. “If the $970 is coming from Social Security and is not being taxed federally then it can often be ‘grossed up’,” Kelly explains. ” In this example, $970 x 125% = $1212.50 per month of income for loan qualification purposes.” That means “She would qualify for a payment of $400 — $460 per month depending on other factors such as credit scores,” he says. Our reader must keep in mind that the payment would include taxes and insurance, as well as principal and interest.

The fact that our reader hasn’t filed tax returns for the past couple of years is not an obstacle, either, says Thomas. She says a lender can use IRS Form 4506-T (Request of Transcript form) to validate that the borrower did not file for those years because she wasn’t required to do so.

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As long as her expectations are reasonable and mortgage rates remain low until she is ready to buy, it sounds like our reader’s income should be enough to buy a modest home with a large down payment. She may have to set her sights on a less expensive home, depending on what taxes and insurance run where she plans to buy, but hopefully she can find a home that meets her needs.

But what about her credit?

That could be an obstacle, but will hopefully not be insurmountable. I emailed her and asked her if she had obtained her credit scores recently. She replied:

“About my FICO score — afraid to check it — eeeek…..” She told me she wants to clean some things up first.

Of course, I am going to encourage her to take the plunge now. She can purchase her FICO scores or use Credit.com’s free Credit Report Card to get a score, but she needs to see what factors are weighing most heavily on her credit scores and map out a realistic plan to improve them.

Paying off her mortgage won’t likely provide raise her scores like she is hoping it will. Paying off installment accounts like mortgages or car loans doesn’t typically raise credit scores that much. But if any of her three credit cards have high balances, paying them down could give her scores a nice boost.

I assume the trash and lawn care accounts she mentioned are in collections since those types of accounts don’t usually show up on credit reports otherwise. Paying off collection accounts doesn’t typically raise one’s credit scores.  But she may be able to negotiate with the collection agencies to remove them if she pays them off. There’s no guarantee that will work, but it doesn’t hurt to try.

As for the charge off, that’s a seriously negative item credit, but the impact to the score depends in part on how old it is. And as time goes by, it has less of an impact, particularly if she is paying her current accounts on time.  Finally, I wouldn’t encourage our reader to make any major credit moves right now; she shouldn’t close out current accounts or open new ones, for example, because doing so may lower her scores.

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  • Kenneth H

    Sort of in the same situation as the the lady and no doc loan,iam 46 permantaly and totally disabled threw ohio workers compensation ,i make 1.125.00$ a month from them and social securityI make 1.023.00$ a month ,have been on both for over 5 years,I own a mobile home rite now its getting old ,and Iwant to purchase a townhouse or condo for around 120.000$ Iam a vetran I have a va loan certificate already,Ihave 18.000$ in my savings account ,a coin collection that has been appraised at over 14.000$,my car is paid off i pay 515.00$ a month just for my mobile home to sit on a piece of land,my car insurance 108.00$ a month ,gas and a electric 140.00 a month cable 80.00$ a month, renters insurance 143.00 a year ,my CREDIT SCORE IS 640 JUST GOT A SECURE MATERCARD 4 months ago with a limit of 300.00$ never had no credit cards ever before , no loans ever !!! the money Imake will never go away ,Iam a vetran ,i just want to get out of this 1978 mobile home ,i cant cut grass or do anywork like painting or anything like that 3 major back fusions ,I JUST WANT AROUND A 120.000$ TOWNHOUSE OR CONDO ,THAT I CAN LIVE OUT THE REST OF MY PAINFUL ,DEPRESSING DAYS ,WERE I HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT NOTHING ON OUTSIDE ,JUST THE INSIDE,WITH ALL ,I HAVE TOLD YOU ALL THE TRUTH PLAN ON PUTTING ATLEAST 15.000$ DOWN ON WATEVER I BUY,WHATS MY CHANCES ??????????????????????????????????? NO KIDS NOT MARRIED,PLEASE GIVE A OPINION ,WOULD LIKE PAYMENTS TO BE AROUND 750.00$ A MONTH INCLUDING TAXES INSURANCE ,FEES OR 800.00 A MNTH EVEN ,JUST NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS MOBLIE HOME TO MANY BACK SURGERIES AND BAD MEMORIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Gerri Detweiler

      Kenneth –

      Have you tried talking with a mortgage lender that does VA loans to see what you qualify for? That’s the next step if you haven’t done so already…There is no reason not to go ahead and try. If you have, what did they say?

      Gerri

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  • Kim

    Let’s talk about fractional banking and how borrowers put assets on the lender’s books when they take out a loan. The banksters put up none of their own, or any depositor’s money, but instead use the borrower’s credit and documents to go to the Fed window and get up to ten times the amount of the loan as credit for themselves. Thus, the payment of yield spread premiums to get the loan amounts way up high to originating brokers (blame it on the poor buying houses though when it crashes) I dislike hearing discussions about borrower’s credit and income when banksters still took bankruptcy as an out for themselves, even after getting paid off several times over through various means on the loans they intended to arrange so they would default.

    Instead of having her check her credit report and repair it, these “experts” should be telling her if her loan was securitized she has a clouded title and can’t give any home buyer a clear one a title company will fully insure. Banksters are not telling buyers of their taken back illegally foreclosed property title issues before shoving them off on the poor saps. It is time to holds the bankster’s feet to the fire and not the borrower’s. The IRS isn’t even making banksters pay back those REMIC tax breaks they could not take legally due to their own actions. Criminal actions. But had this lady cashed in her retirement funds early because of the economy the banksters trashed. SHE would have to pay taxes AND a penalty of 10%%. Great country…right…

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